Willie Azali Thread/Gallery

[Dave]

This is a place holder for Willie's Content.

[wilsaturn]

Hey all, I decided to go ahead with Winnie for my animation and I picked Dialog1. Here's what I came up with so far...

After listening to the dialog, and going over the image of Winnie over and over in my head, these what came to my mind about her characteristics :
- Insecure
- Neurotic
- Control Freak
- Not quite smart
- Selfish / Self centered
- Na?ve
- Judgmental
- Likes attention

The setting for the shot:
Winnie is a member of a well-known coven of witches, and sort of act as the self-appointed leader of the group. She craved attention and her behaviors often over-shadowed the other witches. One day, a talented young witch asked if she could join their sisterhood. The other witches accepted her with open arms, but feeling threatened, Winnie is not so sure she want her in their sisterhood. The Dialog happened during a conversation when they were getting to know the new witch, and Winnie noticed a discrepancies in what the young witch is saying.
In this shot the underlying feelings are suspicion, jealousy, look down on....

With that in mind, here's the thumbnails of the shot ?.

http://www.donbluthanimation.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=238&pictureid=1232

[wilsaturn]

I tried to chart the dialog into the x-sheet, but the one I came up with is a little bit off from the one that Dave provided us, so I used this x-sheet to plan for my shot.
Btw did anybody know how to chart dialog for the x-sheet using toonboom? In flipbook, you can import the sound file, and play the dialog as we go down the frame, so we know in which frames each syllables land on. Can this be done using toonboom?

[NateHorsfall]

This is a good start, Willie! I like how expressive it is. And i really feel the emotions you're trying to portray.

That said, the first four confused be a bit, because it seemed like she was talking to the camera.. then changed to screen right, and stayed that way. Incredibly minor, but maybe have her eyes or even mostly head, focused away from screen right until pose 5.. where she could maybe ease into it or even snap into it and draw focus. Easing i think would be better though, since it's not that hard of a punctuation.

But lookin good :)

[Rodney]

Willie!

Yet another ambitious Workshoper. :)


I'm starting to think I'm going a bit overboard suggesting everyone avoid the finger point pose but... in looking at your poses I think your sequence would work just as well if not better if you dropped Pose#5 altogether.

It seems to me the following works:

1 Extreme (essential)
2 (works as a breakdown pose)
3 Extreme (essential)
4 (Breakdown)
--
6 (Extreme)
7 (Continuation of 6... Moving Hold?)
8 Extreme
9 Breakdown
10 Extreme
11 Held Extreme (Moving Hold?)

That is my impression looking through your numbered drawings.
I really like that it's easy to follow your storytelling! :)

[feliceworkshop]

hey Willie!...
Winnie looks dead on model!.... I'm sure that once you'll work out the correct poses, you will be able to put together a kick ass animation! ;)

[wilsaturn]

Hey guys, thanks for the input on my thumbnails, they really helps me out a lot.
Anyway, here's the pencil test of my shot. They are not evenly shot on 4s, although mostly are. I kinda still playing around with my timing, some of them are still on 8s, and some are on 2s. Need to figure it out some more.....

http://www.donbluthanimation.com/videos.php?showvideo=545

Also I just realized that the portfolio submission dateline for CTN recruiting thing is tomorrow....gaahhhh....

[NateHorsfall]

Hey Willie, what i think you nailed the best is keeping everything on model. On model to your style anyway. very consistent shapes and etc.

But the frames seem to be leading the dialogue too much, especially near the end, where her hands are on her hips well before "REMEMBER ALL THAT!" I'm not sure if the export screwed up for you or if thats how it came out, but something to watch for.

Also, your poses are looking good, great silhouettes and everything, but you're either not holding on them long enough, or just have too many drawings in between each move, which makes everything feel really even and slow. This dialogue in particular I would think would be pretty snappy in spots, because of her emphasis on sounds. But the good news is.. it's easy to fix that, because all you really need to do is take away away frames to hold on them longer :)

[jeremyhopkins]

Another good test! Only suggestion I'd offer for next time is to watch out for the 'W' pose and to try and dig to find something that really expresses her character. Overall good work!

[Richard Willimot]

I agree with all Jeremy and Nate's suggestions and comments on your test. One thing I'd add is there is alot of twinning going on in your poses that I'd get rid of.

[wilsaturn]

Hey guys..... thank you so much for your input and suggestions. I really2 appreciate them.
I didn't get a chance to make a lot of changes this week, but I did revised the beginning part of my test and add a couple of more drawings to the end....

Also, I got a couple of question...

Nate : I didn't quite get what you said about the frames leading the dialog part, I pretty much just follow the accent in my x-sheet. But I did play around with my timing some more on my last test, Do you think it still doing that? How do I look for this kind of stuff ?

Jeremy: What's a W pose ? Is it the same meaning as twinning pose....

Here's my revised pose test on 4s. There are a couple of frames on 2s and a few hold frames at the end that need to be filled in some more...

http://www.donbluthanimation.com/videos.php?showvideo=575

Anyway, thanks guys.... gotta go.....

[jeremyhopkins]

Yeah, a 'w' pose is a form of twinning. It's also kind of like a default pose you'll mostly on television where inexperience actors use it as cliche gesture to symbolize 'I don't know'.
http://www.absolutvision.com/gallery/gallery/th/3B2176.preview.jpg
It's more food for thought for next time.

[NateHorsfall]

Also, I got a couple of question...

Nate : I didn't quite get what you said about the frames leading the dialog part, I pretty much just follow the accent in my x-sheet. But I did play around with my timing some more on my last test, Do you think it still doing that? How do I look for this kind of stuff ?

http://www.donbluthanimation.com/videos.php?showvideo=575

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Hey Willie, Don talked about this last week, but it's basically where you want the accents to hit. But this is totally open to how YOU want the accents to hit.
The video I commented on, seemed to have her extreme poses hitting slightly behind in the read. Mostly on "remember all that!" but that was my misinterpretation of how you wanted. Since "all THAT!" is the strongest cue, I felt like having her fists hit on that point instead of the soft "remember.." would have punctuated that move more. But I made an assumption based on what you had. Sorry about that!

That said, your above test looks much better, timing wise! Now that the pieces are more in place, I see where you were going with it! Nice job :)