Fred Moore

[joedorsey]

This is my little fan thread for everything Fred Moore. Since I've taken this journey in learning animation, I've become more and more a fan of his work. Some animators have said that Fred only made it so far as a draftsman. But, his appealing drawings keep me coming back.

Here are two links to represent Fred with Disney and when he went to Walter Lantz. The thinking pose is the same for both characters.

Fred's Mickey (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_K1zyRq_shCQ/Sx1o7qK2ItI/AAAAAAAABMw/E43kTPT4cVc/s1600-h/3041293438_4e12a2481a_b.jpg)

Fred's Andy Panda (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_GJ4GvNsomrU/Ra75km0g-PI/AAAAAAAAAHw/Wl89EKb69XI/s1600-h/Playful+Pelican.jpg)

[lavallelee]

those mickeys are great! do you have the andy panda model sheet any bigger than that joe?

[joedorsey]

I've only been able to dig up that one. It may be out there somewhere in larger form. Here's Fred's Woody Woodpecker.

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6213/2898/1600/moore_woody.jpg

[lavallelee]

found 1! might not be fred moore though, sorry

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_GJ4GvNsomrU/RZNG569C1lI/AAAAAAAAAEU/3kfoye_NF68/s1600-h/Andy+Panda-1.jpg

[zanekohler]

He definitely had some awesome drawings. I really like those mickey drawings.
Thanks for posting those. Good idea having a post about him.
-z-

[joedorsey]

Thanks Zane. Here's a video were Marc Davis speaks of Fred.

When the old guys talk of Fred it's always as the young guy with the young acting ability. When I look at his work, I don't always see that. It might be that they were so close to Fred on a day to day working basis that it was hard to disconnect the man from his animation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEXGRaCf3m4

[Rodney]

I like the idea of profiling and studying individual animators works.

Jenny Lerew's Blackwing Diaries has quite a lot of information and behinds the scene insight on Fred Moore:

http://blackwingdiaries.blogspot.com/search/label/Fred%20Moore

There are some nice references to Fred's work with George Pal (of Puppetoons) and some of his much sought after maquettes/figurines.

David Nethery, from here in this forum, knows a whole lot about Fred Moore's history too.

[dartzy]

Thanks Zane. Here's a video were Marc Davis speaks of Fred.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEXGRaCf3m4

I have this on VHS taped from TV!!! Boy now I feel old. :)

[Rodney]

This video has already been posted in the forum but is very applicable here.

Don Bluth talks about Fred Moore:

http://www.youtube.com/v/Qqv5ihuUCqk

[arif]

Thank you Joe for bringing the idea...and digging up some treasures.....it is so sad that there is no useful archive for these great artists where we can see their complete art works on online for study....lets find out more and others work like Ollie Johnston,Milt Kahl,Marc Davis,John Lounsbery,Frank Thomas and others......

Regards,
Arif.

[Don Bluth]

This is my little fan thread for everything Fred Moore. Since I've taken this journey in learning animation, I've become more and more of a fan of his work. Some animators have said that Fred only made it so far in this draftsmanship. But, his appealing drawings keep me coming back.

Here are two links to represent Fred with Disney and when he went to Walter Lantz. The thinking pose is the same for both characters.

Fred's Mickey (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_K1zyRq_shCQ/Sx1o7qK2ItI/AAAAAAAABMw/E43kTPT4cVc/s1600-h/3041293438_4e12a2481a_b.jpg)

Fred's Andy Panda (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_GJ4GvNsomrU/Ra75km0g-PI/AAAAAAAAAHw/Wl89EKb69XI/s1600-h/Playful+Pelican.jpg)

Thank you for posting this. I'm also a great fan of Fred Moore.

[Don Bluth]

found 1! might not be fred moore though, sorry

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_GJ4GvNsomrU/RZNG569C1lI/AAAAAAAAAEU/3kfoye_NF68/s1600-h/Andy+Panda-1.jpg
Unless he was having a really bad day, this does not reflect the Freddy Moore style of drawing.

[johncbeggs]

Yea I agree, that panda one looked quite different then the model sheet type drawings that fred moore had made!

[joedorsey]

I'm glad you all enjoy Freddie as much as I do. Here are a couple of videos. One of Ollie Johnson remembering Fred. He sure had a lot of respect for him. The other is of Fred drawing Mickey while flipping between pages. Freddie sure could draw quick!



Ollie Johnson remembers Freddie Moore (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAjj1SCXhcI)


Fred Moore Draws Mickey (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd_k3mK8VoU)

[joedorsey]

Here's a video that Cartoon, Model Sheets, & Stuff put together. They've slowed down an Andy Panda scene that Fred Moore did.


Fred Moore's Andy Panda scene (http://dai.ly/9LonHH)

[lavallelee]

Wow! That was great seeing it slowed down like that. Does anyone know if these Andy Panda episodes are on the Woody Woodpecker collections? I have yet to buy those.

[ericaanimation]

Joe Dorsey,

The first clip of Ollie Johnston remembering Fred Moore is from the DVD "Frank and Ollie: The Friendship that Changed the Face of Animation." It was a wonderful documentray directed by Frank's son Theodore Thomas. I own it and it great. I have heard from several interviews from different people that Fred never had anything in the " wrong place" the arm to the torso and the leg was always correct in relation to each other, etc.. One of Fred Moore's character's that stand out to me was Lampwick from "Pinocchio" which he made stand out as annoying selfess boy. I personally after watching many documentary's seem lik Fred Moore was someone that taught and that the "Nine Old Men" looked up to (or a least some of them) when first starting out in animation.

Erica

[joedorsey]

Thanks for your thoughts Erica. It seems when someone is struck down early in their career, there tends to be many legends that develop. I'm sure Fred had his ups and downs just like everyone.

I feel every animator has something wonderful to give inside them. Fred had a unique voice in they way he drew. I think he is one of my favorites because his animation was anything but stoic. Studying his poses and line of action. It all comes together so well.

[joedorsey]

Here a great little walk of Andy Panda from "Scrappy Birthday". Thanks to the Cartoons, Model Sheets & Stuff blog for slowing it down. Fred is not credited on this, so it may or may not be his animation. If anything, it has his happy sensibility.


Scrappy Birthday (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xe09e2_fred-moore-walk-scrappy-birthday_shortfilms)

[Rodney]

That's a wonderful little scoot backwards he has as the background pan comes to a stop.

What seems a little bit odd about it is how Andy's foot gets cropped by the left margin. That seems to be an odd bit of layout. It makes me wonder if the animation wasn't something of an afterthought where they grabbed a reference and reused from somewhere else and it didn't fit into their already planned layout. (it sure looks like it could be a Mickey Mouse walk).

Very nice though!

[joedorsey]

Here's a quick little pencil test done by Fred of Timothy Mouse from "Dumbo".


Timothy Mouse
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4nOSbsVdNE)

Check out this screen shot from the test.

http://donbluthanimation.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=251&pictureid=1160

[feliceworkshop]

Amazing, God bless YouTube and thank you for sharing!....

I love the note on frame 32:
"..Don't use ruffs from frame 32 to 52".... it's written in a red pencil, so I wonder if it was written down by a clean-up artist instead of Fred Moore. :confused:

[FantasiaMan]

Glad you guys like the video! I found those drawings on eBay being sold individually for $450 a piece. My curiosity getting the better of me, I just snagged the images off the ebay pages, put them into Quicktime and played them back on 2's. Pure Freddie Moore magic!

Upon further research, I discovered that that animation was not included in the final picture. It would've taken place right after Dumbo landed on the telephone wires after his first flight. According to Hans Perk's drafts for Dumbo (http://afilmla.blogspot.com/search?q=dumbo+learns+to+fly), the scene was changed sometime after the draft was made, so a bit of Timothy and the crow's dialogue was cut, including this shot.

The thing I really admire about Freddie Moore's work is that not only are his drawings beautifully crafted, but they also convey a lot of personality, even in his inbetweens. These 28 drawings alone have great posing, great use of stretch and squash, secondary action, follow through and easy to read mouth shapes. It was a real treat finding this bit of animation and I just wish it gets around more so many more aspiring animators can see it.

If you guys would like to see each drawing individually, I posted each one on my flickr page here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/41006978@N04/sets/72157624548245659/)

[samuelvictorjones]

Absolutely beautiful. Thanks Joe for sharing this & Fantasiaman for finding it in the first place. Just checked out your blog and the links you provided, I'm impressed with your research skills also, fascinating stuff, & if it wasn't for you finding those ebay listings & taking the initiative to put it together, this is one animation we'd have never got to see, as the frames would almost certinaly not sell to the same buyer.

I've never known much about the animators at Disney themselves, especially as in most of the Disney films I enjoy there are little to no credits, but hearing Don talk about different names at each seminar, then making notes & researching them is proving fantastically interesting. I've always been interested in the non-disney short cartoons (especially those by Warner Brothers), & part of my interest was always to compare the styles of the diferent directors, artists etc. Now through this site sparking my interest I've started to discover similar heroes from my favourite Disney outputs.

I must say I particularly like Fred Moore's work & see a lot of what he did as very influential in the history of Disney. I don't feel his "legendary" status is increased by his unfortunate untimely death as is the case with some, but I feel his status is justly deserved. Absolutely fantastic characters & character acting through his animation.

Now I want to find out an original copy of "The Reluctant Dragon" - I already own the main animated portion, but would be interesting to see it in its original package film presentation, & see the live action footage of Fred, Ward Kimball, Norm Ferguson, & Walt himself. :D

[AFilmLA]

For those of you who like knowing more about the who-did-what, I have a lot of info on my blog (the one that FantasiaMan so kindly referred to), mainly (but certainly not only) animation drafts for at least 80 (eighty!) shorts as well as nine complete feature films (incl. Snow White and Pinocchio).

I have previously mentioned posting The Small One, which is especially topical for the readers of these pages, and I have now started posting another film with much Bluth/Pomeroy/Goldman animation, The Rescuers.

For those of you interested in, how they used to time the films to musical beats, I have several examples of films with click tracks which have already been used as study objects in several major colleges. Also some interesting patents, like the one for a special system of pegs and punch for cells for the 3-D films in the 50's. Pink memos from the 40's, photos, artwork...

Enjoy! (http://afilmla.blogspot.com/)

[samuelvictorjones]

Oh wow, what a goldmine! I could get lost in all that information forever! Fascinating. Just had a look over the front page especially the "Small One" & "Rescuers" information, amazing to see shot for shot breakdowns of who did what. And the Ub Iwerks original script/storyboard for "Plane Crazy" is something I thought I'd never see, wow, the first appearance of Mr Mouse himself, before the film was even made!

Can I ask where you get all your information from? I would have thought the studios would either keep them locked up somewhere or in some cases simply destroy them once they weren't needed.

You mention videos with metronome style clicks - I imagine that would help a lot of people here. Don always talks about this in his seminars & workshops, he's very passionate about timing, and suggests we all learn music theory & to play an instrument.

I see at the top of your blog a reference to you being the co-founder of "A. Film" which I'll admit to not hearing of until recently, however I recently picked up a copy of "Help, I'm a Fish", as an impulse buy simply because I liked the title & the cover image, and I have to say both I & my kids really enjoyed the film, & the style of animation was very remeniscent of classic Disney. I shall look out for more of your work :)

(Sorry for going off topic btw)

[AFilmLA]

Hi, samuelvictorjones -
Glad you can find things to study!

You ask where I got it from: from looking for this stuff since the late 1970's. My first draft I saw in 1978 at the home of my old mentor, the Danish animator in Holland, B?rge Ring, a few years before we made Anna & Bella which won the 1985 Academy Award for Short Animated Films. I have been looking for them ever since. I have had a good deal of luck finding these things - though, of course, they were not free. When I offer these for free on my blog, it is mainly because I want to share this information, and as a side effect I can make the world aware of my studio.

We have sadly not have the possibility to do a larger hand-drawn project since Asterix and the Vikings in 2004. Personally my only Bluth credit as animator is on A Troll in Central Park, which we worked on for Sullivan-Bluth in Ireland in... was it 1990? Anyway, we have mainly been producing CG features, and have another coming up for Danish release this October - see our homepage, www.afilm.com (http://www.afilm.com).

[samuelvictorjones]

I have had a good deal of luck finding these things - though, of course, they were not free. When I offer these for free on my blog, it is mainly because I want to share this information, & as a side effect I can make the world aware of my studio.

The fact you seek down & purchase these pieces of history, then share them with the world is highly commendable. Colour me grateful :cool:

I just had a look through your site, some really, really nice stuff there. I'm particularly interested in your 2d output but I like the fact that the style of your studios CG work is not stuck in one particular mold, & it looks to have had more thought & effort put into it than many identikit cheaply produced shovelware that is currently out there. I'll seek out the Asterix film, as I always liked the older films & books, it looks like you did a great job of keeping to the same look, whilst updating the quality of the general output. Its a shame that you have stopped making traditionally animated films, I hope that in the future the market for them will improve & you shall make more.

I was rather intregued to hear you worked on a "Troll in Central Park" for Sullivan Bluth & then the "All Dogs" sequel. This may explain why I always felt that something about that particular sequel felt spiritually closer somehow & more respectful to the original than most sequels to Don's films. I won't flatter you & say I loved the sequel, there were noticable flaws, but I did like it a lot more than the series & Christmas special & felt the animation overal was very nice. I'd be interested in your thoughts on "All Dogs" in general, as long as they are kind as I particularly love the original, especially for the character of Ann Marie & Burt Reynold's Charlie :)

I saw a Fido Dido commercial in there too - did your studio do all of the fido dido animation or just this one? I always really liked that character, the looseness of the lines & the flowing animation. Very european, & effortlessly cool, especially when compared to the also cool but far more ridgidly "cool company mascot" Cool Spot in the States advertising campaigns.

[AFilmLA]

We did just the one Fido-Dido - but the audience was stunning: it was shown during the cricket match India-Pakistan, which has a billion potential viewers!

As to hand-drawn - you are probably aware of this, but the real crush there came many years ago when Michael Eisner declared that "2D is dead" thereby not only closing all of Disney's studios, but most of the studios in the world. Only because of our CG capability we could survive. I have looked forward to someone saving the art since - and had high hopes when Goofy: How to Hook Up Your Home Theater (which I also worked on) was made. It was a pity that The Princess and the Frog did not do better, for let's face it: investors in movies will only invest in things known to have the chance of making money, and all eyes are (always) on Disney.

On our sub-contracting jobs, we did not animate the entire films, of course. I have no numbers on any of the films you mention - I only remember we animated 16 minutes of FernGully: the Last Rainforest at my studio. A little over a minute of that was mine.

[joedorsey]

Thank you Michael and Hans for posting here and for all the research that has gone into finding these treasures.

Here's an excerpt from an Eric Goldberg interview (http://www.animationtrip.com/item.php?id=471). He speaks about how Freddie has influenced him.

As far as Freddy Moore goes... I mean, I never knew the guy but, you know, just in terms of observation, his work had a quality that I try to employ which is that his characters look like they're enjoying themselves on the screen. Both he and Ward Kimball had that quality to their animation... that it looks like they're having fun. And there's a spontaneity and a joy to that, you know, that you don't see when somebody's just trying to just push the stuff around. Also, it's been said that Freddy just couldn't keep up with the more sophisticated animation at Disney when they started doing things like Sleeping Beauty and stuff like that. And frankly, I'm not sure that's true. I think Freddy and Ward's animation is immensely sophisticated because it takes a lot to put comedy over. You know, having co-directed Pocahontas, I can tell you that I could approve scenes on Pocahontas that were animated on eights, because she didn't move much. Okay? So if you got those, then chances are that if the in-betweens filled in the right spot, it would be an okay scene. You could never do that with the comedy scenes because they have to be that precise. You got to put in more drawings, more extra, more juice to actually get it to read. And hopefully elicit a laugh. That's a tall order!

[AFilmLA]

Hi Joe! Most of Fred Moore's drawings were just incredibly appealing. As Frank and Ollie wrote in Illusion of Life, he had a sign over his drawing table that just read "APPEAL." This is something that many more artists should try to take note of. When we worked with Frank and Ollie, they had us place a sign over our tables: "Warmth, Charm, Humor." Somehow, "Appeal" captures that, but in a more elusive way...

[joedorsey]

I agree about the elusiveness of appeal. It's a constant struggle for me in drawing. I was re-reading the section on Fred from "The Illusion Of Life" and found Fred's full list.

I like what Marc Davis said about Fred. "My God, Fred Moore was Disney drawing!"


Fred's 14 Points Of Animation

Appeal in drawing
Staging
Most interesting way? (would anyone other than your mother like to see it?)
Is it the most entertaining way?
Are you in character?
Are you advancing the character?
Is this the simplest statement of the main idea of the scene?
Is the story point clear?
Are the secondary actions working with the main action?
Is the presentation best for the medium?
Does it have 2 dimensional clarity?
Does it have 3 dimensional clarity?
Does it have 4 dimensional clarity? (drag and follow through)
Are you trying to do something that shouldn't be attempted? (like trying to show the top of Mickey's head)

[Solium]

(like trying to show the top of Mickey's head)


That's so funny! Has anyone ever shown the top of Mickey's head? Never thought of that before.

The guy was an amazing artist. He could sure draw girls!

[samuelvictorjones]

[QUOTE=Solium;17330]That's so funny! Has anyone ever shown the top of Mickey's head? Never thought of that before. [QUOTE]

I'm pretty sure you can't, by Disney's own laws that the ears must always face the camera head on being round. In many angles, this makes many positions incredibly akward to do "realistically" rather than stylistically, & some impossible. This is particularly noticable when mickey's renderred in 3D, like in "Mickey Mouse Clubhouse" where his ears seem to flot independently of his head in many shots. :laughing:

[jeremyhopkins]

An unreleased Mickey short with some Fred Moore animation:
UfjJIIZ1OrA

Thad originally posted on his blog: http://www.thadkomorowski.com/?p=4274#comments

Tragic that the bee emulates what happened to Moore during his career.

[samuelvictorjones]

WOW Jeremy thanks for sharing, that was beautiful. I wonder what the reason for it never being finished was? I'm sure length can't really have been the issue, there were many similar length toons.

I'd venture a guess that it may have been confusing to "Mickey" branding, as it was more similar in style to a Goofy "Geef" cartoon, with the voiceover rather than Mickey's "real" voice, & Mickey was removed from his usual habit & friends, being in the real world with actual humans. Also perhaps Disney wasn't keen on associating Mickey with alcohol. Whatever the case I enjoyed this more than many Disney shorts, & to see it in the hand drawn pencil style is amazing.

I'm almost inspired to go through & create a cleaned, colour "finished" version. I won't, because I'm sure I'd actually spoil some of the charm & miss some details, given the low quality of the youtube resolution.

It'd be great to see Disney do this one properly though, perhaps for a special edition dvd collection of some kind. Its a crime to have just scrapped something like this, at least it wasn't completely destroyed & we still get to see it. :)

[Solium]

This is really cool. I love pencil tests and nothing is better than a pencil test from the golden age. Love the animation.

I can see why this was never finished. I think the story started out well enough, but the second half was really chaotic and unappealing. Mickey sort of became uninvolved until the very end. Most certainly it was the kind of action that belonged in a Tex Avery cartoon.

[joedorsey]

Thanks Jeremy! What a find. Some great animation in that one.

[joedorsey]

Here's a 1972 Disney Brochure that's covered with Fred Moore art. Thanks Hans for digging (http://afilmla.blogspot.com/2010/08/with-prod-2428-plight-of-bumble-bee.html) this up. You da man!


What Do You Know About Disney?
(http://ftp.afilm.com/blog/Dis72folder_cover.jpg)

[jeremyhopkins]

Wonderful! Thank you both!

[arif]

Hai.Jeremy...............................Thank You soooooooooooo much....for this great finding......wonderful!!!!!!!!!!!....i always like to see line test....and it is 6 mins long with full line test version...it is enough worth for me.........:D:D:D

[joedorsey]

Here is Fred Moore's rough model sheet for "Plight Of The Bumble Bee". Thanks again Hans!

http://donbluthanimation.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=251&pictureid=1191

[AFilmLA]

Hi, Joe! I'm glad you like the modelsheet I posted!
Might I suggest that for the furure you also link to the page where you found it? That would be this one (http://afilmla.blogspot.com/2010/08/with-prod-2428-plight-of-bumble-bee.html). That way readers of this forum can get the added information, if any, as posted on the blog (and they may be tempted to look around and find other goodies). For instance, the folder that I show the cover of in the blog posting may very well be one of the things Don, John and Gary encountered when first they entered the hallowed halls of the Animation Building, so it might be of interest here.
--Hans

[AFilmLA]

(Wow, if I cannot even spell the word "future" I must be having a bad day!)

[joedorsey]

Hans,

You are absolutely right. I will make sure to link to your blog in the future and thanks again for all the great finds and insights.

Joe

[joedorsey]

I once read somewhere Freddie Moore's girls were to be studied in the development of Ariel. I found this rough sheet on the Animation Archive (http://animationarchive.net/) that shows the changes to be made in comparison to a Freddie Moore girl.

http://animationarchive.net/Feature%20Films/The%20Little%20Mermaid/Model%20Sheets/ARIEL05.jpg

After comparing some of Fred's girls, this seems to be an over generalization of how the head is constructed. I would agree that there is usually a softer jaw line, but not always as the Centaur drawing from Fantasia shows below. Now this may or may not be Fred's drawing, but it's his design. Anywho. Thanks to Brianne Drouhard at the Potato Farm Girl blog for the drawing.

http://potatofarmgirl.blogspot.com/2005/10/fred-moore-is-hot.html

http://donbluthanimation.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=251&pictureid=1192

[samuelvictorjones]

I always felt Ariel was similar in many ways to a Freddie Moore girl. She's definitely animated with a mind to her being innocent but naturally sexy without meaning to be. Girlish, and this is how I see Freddie Moore girls. If you'd have asked me to name the main differnce, I would have said the jawline, this confirms this, so thanks for posting :)

As for the Centaurs, I love that section, Its a shame about the censorship issues. Why couldn't Sunflower have been pink, blue, purple, & we would be allowed a proper, complete, remasterred section without skipping or zooming. Oh well, hindsite is 20-20. The animation overall is so beautiful in the Pastoral Symphony.

Whilst on the subject of Fantasia, was this not the first real outing for Fred's redesign of Mickey, moving away completly from the Ub Iwerks one? (Although I believe it was Preston Blair who actually animated Mickey in the Sorceror's apprentice section?)

[C. Siemens]

Yeah, it doesn't seem much like a real Fred Moore girl. More like a Fred Moore formula processed through a 90s Disney blender. I always thought the "how-not-to" Freddie Moore face on the Ariel model sheet looked more like something they'd later use for Roxanne (http://animationarchive.net/Direct%20to%20Video/A%20Goofy%20Movie/Model%20Sheets/roxanned.jpg) in A Goofy Movie.

[samuelvictorjones]

Yeah I totally see that. That model sheet actually reminded me of Gadget from Rescue Rangers, in a way. Probably the nose :)

[Solium]

I always felt Ariel was similar in many ways to a Freddie Moore girl. She's definitely animated with a mind to her being innocent but naturally sexy without meaning to be.

Absolutely.

[joedorsey]

Here's a wonderful picture of Fred Moore drawing a picture of your favorite cricket. You can see some of his girl drawings in the background. I found it at...

http://disneybooks.blogspot.com/

http://donbluthanimation.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=251&pictureid=1311

[Solium]

Soooo young! Thxs for sharing the pic.

[joedorsey]

This video is primarily Glen Keane remembering Ollie. But, he speaks of Fred's influence on many artists at Disney in the early days.


Glen shares
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6F000JASrGA)

[zanekohler]

Very cool video, I could watch him behind a desk flipping pages all day.
Thanks for sharing!

[andrew sharp]

Thankyou for putting that video up verry inspiring Joe:)

[joedorsey]

The TAG blog posted a model sheet from Fred Moore. Pretty cool!


Megacollector's Fred Moore
(http://animationguildblog.blogspot.com/2011/02/megacollectors-ken-muse-and-fred-moore_09.html)

[joedorsey]

Disney Movie Channel on youtube posted this cool little video that talks about some of the animators that were called upon to get Bambi going. Fred is mentioned first with a small bit of footage of him flipping some pages. I added the video of Andres Deja showing how to draw Bambi for fun.

<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="640" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/vibzGrIrO5k" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="640" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/gSx_rSUH_rQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[OriginalGagBonkers]

I joke about Fred Moore should have worked for playboy(since he died a year before playboy was invented). I only know a few things regarding on Fred Moore is that he draws wonderful girls(those fantasia centurettes) and he worked on universal.

[zanekohler]

I love watching these extras. It gets the blood flowing and makes me want to draw!
Thanks for posting these.

[joedorsey]

I'm glad you like them Zane. Andreas seems like such a nice guy on camera. Keeping the hand drawn tradition alive. :)

[zanekohler]

I actually got to meet him at CTN a few years back. Owen was there watching me flub when I asked the dumb question that just flew out "is your hand getting a working from all the signing of autographs and sketches?" . Right after I said it I realized I am talking to an animator who's job it is to huge amounts of drawings a day. He then grabbed my pencil and said I was not worthy of animation from a question like that... ok I am fibbing but was expecting it lol. He was actually totally cool and asked me what character I wanted to draw for me. I got him to sketch Scar. I just drooled the rest of the time.

[joedorsey]

Found this great vid of a deleated scene from Snow White. Looks like some Fred Moore animation in there. Click on the picture to view on youtube. Makes me cry to see so much great animation gone to the cutting room floor. I'm glad Disney pulled it out of the archives for all of us to see. Beautiful work.


http://donbluthanimation.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=251&pictureid=1623 (http://youtu.be/V7lk0B7HLNI)

[C. Siemens]

Hmmm, now this is interesting. I can see why it likely got cut. It mostly elaborates and what's clear anyway - the six want Snow White to stay, Grumpy doesn't. The nose-twisting part and the following row with Doc, that's almost drastic for that film. However, I like how Snow White slyly manipulates the others into persuading Grumpy to let her stay. Some more small traits like that wouldn't have hurt her character too much.
That's not just my opinion, by the way. An Italian animation critic who taught our class animation history once said the only time he ever sees her act a little out of her ordinary, girlie little princess role is when she gives the cymbal Dopey wears as a hat during the Silly Song sequence a little kick.

[Marc_H]

Have you guys seen these gorgeous fan-made sculptures?
http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lnp5a6sf9u1qc5r5ho1_500.jpg
you can get casts of them for about ?100 on ebay

[lavallelee]

i just went through this whole topic again, lots of great posts everyone!

[andrew sharp]

That sculpture is amazing but to rich for my blood:(

[joedorsey]

Yesterday marked Fred Moore's 100th Birthday. Animators and fans alike paid tribute to one of the great innovators of the art form. Freddie will continue to be an endless source of inspiration. Check out the following Birthday wishes...


Deja View (http://andreasdeja.blogspot.com/2011/09/happy-birthday-fred-moore.html)
Cartoon Brew (http://www.cartoonbrew.com/animators/happy-100th-birthday-fred-moore.html)
Mark Mayerson (http://mayersononanimation.blogspot.com/2011/09/fred-moores-100th-birthday.html)
Pete Emslie (http://cartooncave.blogspot.com/2011/09/happy-100th-freddie-moore.html)
The Blackwing Diaries (http://blackwingdiaries.blogspot.com/2011/09/fred-moores-100th.html)
Fred Moore's Archive (http://fredmoore.blogspot.com/2011/09/happy-bithday-fred-moore.html)


Happy Birthday Fred!

[joedorsey]

Andre Deja posted a Fred Moore drawing of Mickey Mouse and Pluto on his blog (http://andreasdeja.blogspot.com/2011/12/gosh-pluto.html#comment-form). The sad faces really make you feel for them.


Mickey and Pluto
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-SxzO8vXUyDo/Tu7DRx9sGyI/AAAAAAAABgw/H5gqllLIUYY/s1600/Mickey+Pluto.jpg)

[andrew sharp]

Thank you for sharing Joe :)

[joedorsey]

Here's the transformation scene from Pinocchio with music only (it has a haunting quality). I believe the animators were as follows...

Pinocchio: Milt Kahl
Lampwick: Fred Moore
Donkey Lampwick: Marc Davis

You can see Milt and Fred's signature styles and appealing artistry. Beautiful. One thing I hadn't noticed before. When Pinocchio starts to transform, the painters kept his eyes perfectly white against the darkness.

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